Comments on: The new device notifier in KDE4 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/ Insane adventures of Ménard Alexis Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:08:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Vide http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-71 Vide Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:26:05 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-71 Hello again :P I've just noticed that your plasmoid went default in recent KDEsvn... great! But I've also noticed that the "recent plugged devices" means that after a certain amount of time a device disappears from this list. What about making it a "plugged devices" plasmoid? Thanks for your work! Hello again :P
I’ve just noticed that your plasmoid went default in recent KDEsvn… great! But I’ve also noticed that the “recent plugged devices” means that after a certain amount of time a device disappears from this list. What about making it a “plugged devices” plasmoid?
Thanks for your work!

]]> By: Vide http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-69 Vide Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:55:08 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-69 @Hans: GREAT mockup!! @darktears: if you could take some inspiration from this mockup, it would be great :) the osx-style eject button is definitely "the right thing"(TM) (contextual menus suck) @Hans: GREAT mockup!!
@darktears: if you could take some inspiration from this mockup, it would be great :) the osx-style eject button is definitely “the right thing”(TM) (contextual menus suck)

]]> By: Luis http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-68 Luis Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:35:53 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-68 Wow, I totally forgot about that mockup, it's indeed amazing. I would love to see you implementing it, maybe for KDE 4.1? :) Wow, I totally forgot about that mockup, it’s indeed amazing.

I would love to see you implementing it, maybe for KDE 4.1? :)

]]> By: Hans http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-66 Hans Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:19:28 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-66 sorry, the mockup is here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Extender%3A+Mounted+Devices?content=53086 sorry, the mockup is here: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Extender%3A+Mounted+Devices?content=53086

]]> By: Andre http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-65 Andre Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:41:50 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-65 @darktears: I think it <i>would</i> be usefull to be able to name devices, but I'm not sure it should be solved in a device notifier. It probably needs to be at the Solid level. I think it does make sense to store information on devices this way, as people tend to connect the same devices regulary anyway. I think it would be very usefull to see the name "André's private USB stick" pop up instead of "volumne (vfat)". It's so much more informative. But again: this is probably a Solid issue rather than a device notifier issue. Thanks for taking up the suggestion to remove the action count with something more usefull :-) @Hans: Your link did not get through. Which mockup would that be? @darktears:
I think it would be usefull to be able to name devices, but I’m not sure it should be solved in a device notifier. It probably needs to be at the Solid level. I think it does make sense to store information on devices this way, as people tend to connect the same devices regulary anyway. I think it would be very usefull to see the name “André’s private USB stick” pop up instead of “volumne (vfat)”. It’s so much more informative. But again: this is probably a Solid issue rather than a device notifier issue.

Thanks for taking up the suggestion to remove the action count with something more usefull :-)

@Hans:
Your link did not get through. Which mockup would that be?

]]> By: Hans http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-64 Hans Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:01:45 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-64 Ah. This reminds me of a mockup I did a while ago. I thought that in KDE4, we really had to get rid of the action list window which pop up when you plug in a new device. It seems my wish will become reality. I posted the mockup on kde-look, and it received pretty good responses. If you want to have a look, it's <a>here</a>. If you have time, couldn't you please tell me what you think of it? Fo example, I don't like to have the actions in a separate window, but if you think it's better than my solution (see mockup), I would like to hear why. =) Keep up with the great work! Oh by the way, I think the "n actions available" should be removed... ;) (Maybe you should update the post to reflect this change. So you don't have to answer this question again.) Ah. This reminds me of a mockup I did a while ago. I thought that in KDE4, we really had to get rid of the action list window which pop up when you plug in a new device. It seems my wish will become reality.

I posted the mockup on kde-look, and it received pretty good responses. If you want to have a look, it’s here.

If you have time, couldn’t you please tell me what you think of it? Fo example, I don’t like to have the actions in a separate window, but if you think it’s better than my solution (see mockup), I would like to hear why. =)

Keep up with the great work! Oh by the way, I think the “n actions available” should be removed… ;)
(Maybe you should update the post to reflect this change. So you don’t have to answer this question again.)

]]> By: Vide http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-63 Vide Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:18:48 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-63 @darktears. Good work but as many said, please get rid of that "N actions available", it's horrible :) Second, do you know if there will be an easy way to rename volumes via solid->hal->correct backend? It would be really useful... and I think it should be even integrated in Dolphin, but this will be 4.1 I guess @darktears. Good work but as many said, please get rid of that “N actions available”, it’s horrible :)

Second, do you know if there will be an easy way to rename volumes via solid->hal->correct backend? It would be really useful… and I think it should be even integrated in Dolphin, but this will be 4.1 I guess

]]> By: darktears http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-62 darktears Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:22:57 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-62 @Andre : I can add a link with more action and open solidUi server.Many people says that is useless to have the numbre of actions so i will display the default action by adding in a .desktop file this notion. The name displayed volume vfat is the name of my device (my usb key and my memory card same), i use solid to have a name...I write by default the name of the device and if it doesn't exist the vendor... Naming a device will implies we will store information associated to the device...I'm not sure it's very usefull...You give a name correct to your device like darktears's USB and it will be displayed... @Andre : I can add a link with more action and open solidUi server.Many people says that is useless to have the numbre of actions so i will display the default action by adding in a .desktop file this notion.

The name displayed volume vfat is the name of my device (my usb key and my memory card same), i use solid to have a name…I write by default the name of the device and if it doesn’t exist the vendor…

Naming a device will implies we will store information associated to the device…I’m not sure it’s very usefull…You give a name correct to your device like darktears’s USB and it will be displayed…

]]> By: Andre http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-61 Andre Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:55:35 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-61 Lots of people already pointed out that telling the number of available actions isn't very helpfull. Instead, would it be possible to just display the default or the last used action for this device, along with a "more actions..." link that would take you to the complete list of actions? Also, it would be usefull IMHO if it were possible to rename a device. I am not sure if it would be possible to uniquely identify a plugged in device (some serial number perhaps?), but it would enable you to replace the "volumne (vfat)" with a more sensible "work USB stick" or something along these lines. Also, should you really be using HAL for this? Isn't Solid capable of delivering this information? That would be the more obvious choice in a KDE 4 environment IMHO. I hope these suggestions will be usefull for your further (good!) work on this. Lots of people already pointed out that telling the number of available actions isn’t very helpfull. Instead, would it be possible to just display the default or the last used action for this device, along with a “more actions…” link that would take you to the complete list of actions?
Also, it would be usefull IMHO if it were possible to rename a device. I am not sure if it would be possible to uniquely identify a plugged in device (some serial number perhaps?), but it would enable you to replace the “volumne (vfat)” with a more sensible “work USB stick” or something along these lines. Also, should you really be using HAL for this? Isn’t Solid capable of delivering this information? That would be the more obvious choice in a KDE 4 environment IMHO.

I hope these suggestions will be usefull for your further (good!) work on this.

]]> By: francois http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-60 francois Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:40:15 +0000 http://darktears.wordpress.com/2007/11/27/the-new-device-notifier-in-kde4/#comment-60 Nice job ! It really looks great. I agree with the previous posts about the number of actions. I think there's still something missing... where do I click to close this popup ? ;-) And I hope this window doesn't take focus as well. Last thing... is it really meaningful to have a list of devices ? Usually, you'll just want to see the last device that has been plugged, do something with it and get rid of the notification. And if you plug 2 devices, well, just show 2 notifications :-) (stacked, or whatever...) This could allow to have smaller, and less obtrusive notifications. And I feel that it would be more like the expected behaviour of a notification, too... Nice job ! It really looks great.
I agree with the previous posts about the number of actions.
I think there’s still something missing… where do I click to close this popup ? ;-)
And I hope this window doesn’t take focus as well.

Last thing… is it really meaningful to have a list of devices ? Usually, you’ll just want to see the last device that has been plugged, do something with it and get rid of the notification. And if you plug 2 devices, well, just show 2 notifications :-) (stacked, or whatever… ;)
This could allow to have smaller, and less obtrusive notifications. And I feel that it would be more like the expected behaviour of a notification, too…

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